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Question: Why there is no hilty test on page
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« on: December 03, 2009, 10:13:40 PM »
Hilty is big compagnie in construction tool hilty is better than crafsman so you have to make test vs hilty plz.
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2009, 06:00:37 AM »
I think I will choose option C.

Hilt(i)y does not have a 18v Lithium drill.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2009, 10:25:20 PM »
Quote from: JC on December 04, 2009, 06:00:37 AM
I think I will choose option C.

Hilt(i)y does not have a 18v Lithium drill.


yes they do.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/miLpnDTtt-A&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/miLpnDTtt-A&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0</a>



Now, this is a 22A which is a 21v drill, spec sheet
http://www.hilti.co.uk/data/editorials/-30840/SF_22_A.pdf

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/QQ01b7WZap4&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/QQ01b7WZap4&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0</a>


RPM is 370/1250/2140 for hilti and 1500 for 2nd gear DC927

So running 16% faster, having a bit lower voltage and having a piece of PooPoo motor didn't help it here. Not very fair comparison but still impressive. I have a feeling there are 26mm cells in that hilti.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2009, 12:27:35 AM »
SF 22-A cordless hammer drill / driver hilty drill have more than 700lbs of torque that alot and 2140 rpm i think this is the best drill on the market for now???
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2009, 12:31:50 AM »
i don't think we gonna see any hilty tool on this forum cuz is't e dewalt forum then hilty is better than dewalt.So i never see any test who dewalt have lost so no chance  for real figth.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2009, 05:54:04 PM »
Sorry, that's not an 18v tool.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2009, 06:41:03 PM »


CORDLESS DRILL DRIVER SFH 18-A 2.6 115V

 
* Battery Capacity    56.16 Wh
* Weight    5.5 lb
* Voltage    21.6 V
* Battery Capacity    2.6 Ah
* Battery Type    B 18/2.6 Li-Ion
* Number of cells    12
* Adjustable Torque    Yes
* Number of torque settings    17-106 in-lb with 15 settings
* For Use With    B18/2.6 LiIon
* Triaxial vibration value for drilling into metal (ah,D).........


It's called 18+ for a reason. They use 12 of the same Sony cells Makita uses.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2009, 08:25:29 PM »
Quote from: JC on December 05, 2009, 06:41:03 PM


CORDLESS DRILL DRIVER SFH 18-A 2.6 115V

 
* Battery Capacity    56.16 Wh
* Weight    5.5 lb
* Voltage    21.6 V
* Battery Capacity    2.6 Ah
* Battery Type    B 18/2.6 Li-Ion
* Number of cells    12
* Adjustable Torque    Yes
* Number of torque settings    17-106 in-lb with 15 settings
* For Use With    B18/2.6 LiIon
* Triaxial vibration value for drilling into metal (ah,D).........


It's called 18+ for a reason. They use 12 of the same Sony cells Makita uses.


Ahh, the wonders of marketing. Well, the extra 3.6v cell does give it an advantage, and based on 2.6 Ah they are not *exact* same as makita, they are "VT" cells like Bosch, which have a 21 A discharge current compared to 17 makita's "V" series has.

golem, Hilti has higher torque because the motor winding has lower resistance and hence higher current consumption which in return rapes the battery. So I bet battery runtime and life is mediocre. I'm sure Dewalt's 28v will beat that in torque test.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2009, 08:09:10 AM »
Yes you are correct, they are the VT cells. Makita uses both the V, and VT cells.

http://dewaltownersgroup.com/index.php/topic,204.0.html
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 09:51:02 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/AzNsr14D0qY&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/AzNsr14D0qY&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0</a>
28 hole for hilty

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/J5XkG5x_HEs&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/J5XkG5x_HEs&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0</a>
11 hole for dewalt

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/grMeNZBgjpU&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/grMeNZBgjpU&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0</a>
15 hole for milwaukee
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2009, 10:17:28 PM »
Hilti 750 in-lbs of torque SFH 18-A 18 V Cordless Hammer Drill/Driver 21.6Volt in reality
Dewalt mayby around 500+ in-lbs of torque  XRP™ 1/2" (13mm) 18V Cordless Hammerdrill/Drill/Driver Kit - DC988Ka is older model whit 500 in-lbs 420 uwo the new one 1/2" (13mm) 18V Cordless XRP™ Li-Ion Hammerdrill/Drill/Driver Kit - DCD970KL 450 uwo torque???
Milwaukee 550 in-lbs or 650 in-lbs M18™ Cordless 1/2" Hammer-Drill Driver Kit 2602-22  or M18™ Cordless High Performance 1/2" Hammer-Drill Driver 2611-24 dont know de model is used on this video.

Hilti battery 21.6 v 2.6 Ah = 28 1/2 hole
Dewalt battery 18v 2.2 Ah = 11 1/2 hole
Milwaukee battery 18v 2.8 Ah = 15 1/2 hole
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 05:27:35 PM »


Thanks for posting these up. Always great to see tools go head to head.

For reference, the Dewalt drill in the video is a DC927. Had the used the DCD970, they would have seen a 30% lift in holes. I've done countless test's with the Milwaukee drill and it's never outperformed the DCD970. Hilti on the other hand has outperformed Dewalt in all of my test's. I'd personally like to see each to wired to the Hilti battery.
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