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[Madtec]

So are the new XRP marked lithium-ion batteries different than the "regular" lithium-ion ones? Or is it just the look?

They are the same batteries, just a new marketing strategy. In fact this is the third cosmetic change in the last 12 months on this battery. I understand that dewalt is doing away with the Nano campaign. It will now just be cal XRP-Lithium Ion. I did this test with the lithium battery, but this drill (DCD950) will still come packaged with the XRP battery.

Actually, they are different, updated circuits, cells and they are shipped in "sleep mode"

[DEWALTDUDE]

Thanks for the extra info. What is different about the cells? I know that the DC9180 has had the same A123 cells since birth to date. At least the one's I've taken apart. I know the DC9181 is a Sony Cell. Is there something I missed?

DC9180

DC9181

[Madtec]

Thanks for the extra info. What is different about the cells? I know that the DC9180 has had the same A123 cells since birth to date. At least the one's I've taken apart. I know the DC9181 is a Sony Cell. Is there something I missed?

DC9180

DC9181

The premium packs (XRP) now offer Sony and Samsung cells, the updated circuits also includes fade; this is similar to NiCd where you can determine when the battery voltage is low, on the XRP Li-ion, the circuit cuts the voltage so you have a gradual shut down rather than a hard shut down.  The DC9181 launched with Sony cells

[DEWALTDUDE]

Sony and Samsung.... hmmmm. 

How will the customer know what they are getting?

Is Samsung now offering some type of NANO or Iron Phosphate?

Will the XRP packs use the same Sony cells as the Compact packs?

Will the Sony/Samsung cells get the already advertised 2000 recharge cycle life? DC9181 is advertised at 800-1000?

Will the cost of the battery come down, as well as any combo kit that uses Lithium?

[Madtec]

Sony and Samsung.... hmmmm. 

You act like this is a bad thing 

How will the customer know what they are getting?

The performance are the same

Is Samsung now offering some type of NANO or Iron Phosphate?

Yes

Will the XRP packs use the same Sony cells as the Compact packs?

They do

Will the Sony/Samsung cells get the already advertised 2000 recharge cycle life? DC9181 is advertised at 800-1000?

Same as current XRP

Will the cost of the battery come down, as well as any combo kit that uses Lithium?

It will, eventually

[DEWALTDUDE]

Information from Wiki under Lithium Iron Phosphate;

"...BOSCH and South Korea SAMSUNG are cooperating to develop lithium batteries and carry out mass production at a cost of about 4,000,000 U.S. dollars[5]. Although it is predicted that it will take about four to five years to move into the matured stage, BOSCH in any case will continue to invest in this effort in order to maintain its position as the top leader in the automobile technology...."

I am assuming this is the Samsung's version of the iron phosphate technology? Bosch as well as many others are currently using Samsung Cells.

Will the A123 be dropped all together? Or will they be still used in the 36v, 28v, and possibly the new 10.8v line we keep hearing buzzes about?

[Madtec]

Information from Wiki under Lithium Iron Phosphate;

"...BOSCH and South Korea SAMSUNG are cooperating to develop lithium batteries and carry out mass production at a cost of about 4,000,000 U.S. dollars[5]. Although it is predicted that it will take about four to five years to move into the matured stage, BOSCH in any case will continue to invest in this effort in order to maintain its position as the top leader in the automobile technology...."

I am assuming this is the Samsung's version of the iron phosphate technology? Bosch as well as many others are currently using Samsung Cells.

Will the A123 be dropped all together? Or will they be still used in the 36v, 28v, and possibly the new 10.8v line we keep hearing buzzes about?

As you may know, their are currently four different chemistries of Li-ion:  Cobalt oxide (most of the competitors use this, high capacity but poor charge cycles) Mannganese (i think that is how it is spelt) Phosphate (A123, Sony, and now Samsung) and lithium polymer (used in most cell phone batteries and laptops) and each competitor has their own brand of what goes into the cells.  DeWalt engineers (as do many other) have strict guidelines on how Li-ion Cells are processed and perform......

A123 will still be used.....

As for the new line........let's just say it will be a game changer  and it's going to be 12v; 10.8v in EUR.

[DEWALTDUDE]

Good to know, any chance you have an idea on a release date?

[Madtec]

Good to know, any chance you have an idea on a release date?

3rd of 4th qtr of this year.........This will be the first wave, so you know their will be a lot more to come

[protoolreviews]

FWIW, there is a new review up over at protoolreviews.com that looks at the new Dewalt DC9180C Lithium-Ion XRP battery. It's not a tear down, but it was used pretty hard in the field for a couple weeks and found to be very reliable. The review might be more suited for those coming off of Ni-Cad.

[Madtec]

Great review

[toptoolscenter]

"So are the new XRP marked lithium-ion batteries different than the "regular" lithium-ion ones? Or is it just the look?"


And now  this drill (DCD950) come packaged with the Li-ion  battery now.

and the the 36V dc9360 is li-ion with A123 (10pcs) battery cell

[Gatorb888]

"So are the new XRP marked lithium-ion batteries different than the "regular" lithium-ion ones? Or is it just the look?"


And now  this drill (DCD950) come packaged with the Li-ion  battery now.

and the the 36V dc9360 is li-ion with A123 (10pcs) battery cell

Just the look

950 comes with XRP NiCad Batteries, the 970 comes with the XRP Li-ion Batteries

[toptoolscenter]

 :)DCD950  have li-ion battery now,and dcd970 is also use xrp and li-ion battery,thanks

[Gatorb888]

:)DCD950  have li-ion battery now,and dcd970 is also use xrp and li-ion battery,thanks

No: http://dewalt.com/tools/cordless-drills-hammerdrills-dcd950kx.aspx